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		<title>By: Information Space &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What&#8217;s a library, again?</title>
		<link>http://plablog.org/2009/03/threats-to-newspapers-are-opportunities-for-libraries.html/comment-page-1#comment-5951</link>
		<dc:creator>Information Space &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What&#8217;s a library, again?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one go. For now.) People can start their own conversations in the newspaper. That made me think of this guest post for the PLA by our own Scott Nicholson suggesting that libraries could be the answer to the newspaper crisis. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] one go. For now.) People can start their own conversations in the newspaper. That made me think of this guest post for the PLA by our own Scott Nicholson suggesting that libraries could be the answer to the newspaper crisis. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Maisano</title>
		<link>http://plablog.org/2009/03/threats-to-newspapers-are-opportunities-for-libraries.html/comment-page-1#comment-3459</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Maisano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that way of looking at the community hub vision is totally positive. I should have been more clear in referring to the ways in which the concept is sometimes stretched to the point where the libraries are made to take on social service functions that should be handled by other institutions (most obvious: the almost complete lack of adequate, publicly funded childcare that we wind up being the de facto providers of). But the actual idea of library as community hub is great. Didn&#039;t mean to throw the baby out with the bathwater there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that way of looking at the community hub vision is totally positive. I should have been more clear in referring to the ways in which the concept is sometimes stretched to the point where the libraries are made to take on social service functions that should be handled by other institutions (most obvious: the almost complete lack of adequate, publicly funded childcare that we wind up being the de facto providers of). But the actual idea of library as community hub is great. Didn&#8217;t mean to throw the baby out with the bathwater there.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Banks</title>
		<link>http://plablog.org/2009/03/threats-to-newspapers-are-opportunities-for-libraries.html/comment-page-1#comment-3452</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Banks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m taken with the idea of reinventing(see this post for another aspect: http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/25/reinvention-not-rescue/) and have to admit the concept presented here raises some questions in my mind, but I think that&#039;s what it supposed to do and we work to figure them out.  We may not end up being the replacement for the newspapers/journalists but we have been keeping clipping files for a very long time.  Is this the &quot;new&quot; clipping file?  Some definate technological challenges, but also some new opportunitites.  Thanks for making me think! 

In some ways, I&#039;m finding the fact that people don&#039;t really know what we do in a library except checkout books rather frightening.  We are madly reinventing ourselves in a lot of creative and exciting ways, like linking with newspapers and there are a lot of people not even noticing!  David King was at SXSW and found a lot of the geeks there didn&#039;t even know you could access the catalog online!  There&#039;s something scary about geeks not knowing about a pretty mundane but basic technology.  Maybe it&#039;s too mundane and old tech to catch their interest.  We all know the catalog needs serious improvement, but there are some things it does pretty well.  Chris Brogan loves to work in bookstores because he is surrounded by books!!! Why isn&#039;t a library the place where people think to about being surrounded by books?  I&#039;ve sort of wandered, but I think they are related paths - at least in my mind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m taken with the idea of reinventing(see this post for another aspect: <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/25/reinvention-not-rescue/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009/03/25/reinvention-not-rescue/)</a> and have to admit the concept presented here raises some questions in my mind, but I think that&#8217;s what it supposed to do and we work to figure them out.  We may not end up being the replacement for the newspapers/journalists but we have been keeping clipping files for a very long time.  Is this the &#8220;new&#8221; clipping file?  Some definate technological challenges, but also some new opportunitites.  Thanks for making me think! </p>
<p>In some ways, I&#8217;m finding the fact that people don&#8217;t really know what we do in a library except checkout books rather frightening.  We are madly reinventing ourselves in a lot of creative and exciting ways, like linking with newspapers and there are a lot of people not even noticing!  David King was at SXSW and found a lot of the geeks there didn&#8217;t even know you could access the catalog online!  There&#8217;s something scary about geeks not knowing about a pretty mundane but basic technology.  Maybe it&#8217;s too mundane and old tech to catch their interest.  We all know the catalog needs serious improvement, but there are some things it does pretty well.  Chris Brogan loves to work in bookstores because he is surrounded by books!!! Why isn&#8217;t a library the place where people think to about being surrounded by books?  I&#8217;ve sort of wandered, but I think they are related paths &#8211; at least in my mind!</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://plablog.org/2009/03/threats-to-newspapers-are-opportunities-for-libraries.html/comment-page-1#comment-3449</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris, re:

&quot;This is a reason why I’m not all that thrilled about the idea of the library as “community hub” sometimes. It just seems to be a way of legitimizing the collapse of other social institutions and throwing the attendant problems into the lap of public libraries, especially in cities.&quot;

I definitely sympathize w/ that first hand... it is a problem.  When I speak of libraries as a community hub, an admittedly ambiguous term, my intention is to cull an image of a public space that can be used for community organizing and has information/knowledge professionals to support whatever activity the community might be up to, as long as it fits within the &#039;Library Bill of Rights&#039;.

Are we good w/ that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris, re:</p>
<p>&#8220;This is a reason why I’m not all that thrilled about the idea of the library as “community hub” sometimes. It just seems to be a way of legitimizing the collapse of other social institutions and throwing the attendant problems into the lap of public libraries, especially in cities.&#8221;</p>
<p>I definitely sympathize w/ that first hand&#8230; it is a problem.  When I speak of libraries as a community hub, an admittedly ambiguous term, my intention is to cull an image of a public space that can be used for community organizing and has information/knowledge professionals to support whatever activity the community might be up to, as long as it fits within the &#8216;Library Bill of Rights&#8217;.</p>
<p>Are we good w/ that?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Maisano</title>
		<link>http://plablog.org/2009/03/threats-to-newspapers-are-opportunities-for-libraries.html/comment-page-1#comment-3447</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Maisano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily, that would indeed be an interesting thing to look at. But even after the Eagle folded, it became the Brooklyn Daily Bulletin, and to this very day it publishes daily as the Brooklyn Daily Eagle. So Brooklyn still has a local daily paper, even if its circulation probably isn&#039;t all that high (but the Times, the DN and Post all cover Brooklyn too). Also, there were numerous other daily papers in the city at the time, including the Times, the Daily News, the Post, the Herald-Tribune, the Daily Mirror, etc. etc. Not to mention the enormous number of daily and weekly papers published in languages besides English and by political organizations that covered life in all the boroughs and outside the city. The huge difference is that a lot of places are looking at not having any papers at all, with nobody else waiting in the wings (either in print or on the web) to pick up the slack in an adequate fashion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily, that would indeed be an interesting thing to look at. But even after the Eagle folded, it became the Brooklyn Daily Bulletin, and to this very day it publishes daily as the Brooklyn Daily Eagle. So Brooklyn still has a local daily paper, even if its circulation probably isn&#8217;t all that high (but the Times, the DN and Post all cover Brooklyn too). Also, there were numerous other daily papers in the city at the time, including the Times, the Daily News, the Post, the Herald-Tribune, the Daily Mirror, etc. etc. Not to mention the enormous number of daily and weekly papers published in languages besides English and by political organizations that covered life in all the boroughs and outside the city. The huge difference is that a lot of places are looking at not having any papers at all, with nobody else waiting in the wings (either in print or on the web) to pick up the slack in an adequate fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://plablog.org/2009/03/threats-to-newspapers-are-opportunities-for-libraries.html/comment-page-1#comment-3446</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, do you remember that big Eagle in the lobby of Brooklyn&#039;s Central Library that guards the front entrance?  The, uh, Brooklyn Eagle?  That&#039;s (if memory serves) from the local newspaper (1841-1955 RIP) which is already physically housed in the library and a fundamental part of the Brooklyn Public Library&#039;s holdings in local history.  I wasn&#039;t there when the local newspaper of Brooklyn became part of the Library- perhaps someone else can speak to that bit of history?  What happened when Brooklyn stopped having a vital newsroom in 1955?  New York City is not so different from everywhere else...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, do you remember that big Eagle in the lobby of Brooklyn&#8217;s Central Library that guards the front entrance?  The, uh, Brooklyn Eagle?  That&#8217;s (if memory serves) from the local newspaper (1841-1955 RIP) which is already physically housed in the library and a fundamental part of the Brooklyn Public Library&#8217;s holdings in local history.  I wasn&#8217;t there when the local newspaper of Brooklyn became part of the Library- perhaps someone else can speak to that bit of history?  What happened when Brooklyn stopped having a vital newsroom in 1955?  New York City is not so different from everywhere else&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Maisano</title>
		<link>http://plablog.org/2009/03/threats-to-newspapers-are-opportunities-for-libraries.html/comment-page-1#comment-3445</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Maisano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just going to say the same thing, Nate. I couldn&#039;t imagine a collapsing NY Times somehow becoming integrated with in some fashion with NYC&#039;s three library systems. Who is going to do national and international reporting? How would we pay them and who would pay them (by &quot;them&quot; I mean journalists)? Where would they be physically housed? The scope of such an integration would be mind-boggling.

We should be deeply concerned with the fate of journalism, because that&#039;s ultimately where the information that becomes the knowledge that we collect, organize and disseminate comes from, but I would agree with Nate and Norman that news gathering and libraries should remain basically separate (news gathering and pretty much every other institution in society should be basically separate, for that matter). As librarians and concerned citizens, let&#039;s push the government to provide economic stimulus to the newspaper industry so that it can remain a vital and independent component of our society rather than trying to fold its functions into other institutions.

This is a reason why I&#039;m not all that thrilled about the idea of the library as &quot;community hub&quot; sometimes. It just seems to be a way of legitimizing the collapse of other social institutions and throwing the attendant problems into the lap of public libraries, especially in cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just going to say the same thing, Nate. I couldn&#8217;t imagine a collapsing NY Times somehow becoming integrated with in some fashion with NYC&#8217;s three library systems. Who is going to do national and international reporting? How would we pay them and who would pay them (by &#8220;them&#8221; I mean journalists)? Where would they be physically housed? The scope of such an integration would be mind-boggling.</p>
<p>We should be deeply concerned with the fate of journalism, because that&#8217;s ultimately where the information that becomes the knowledge that we collect, organize and disseminate comes from, but I would agree with Nate and Norman that news gathering and libraries should remain basically separate (news gathering and pretty much every other institution in society should be basically separate, for that matter). As librarians and concerned citizens, let&#8217;s push the government to provide economic stimulus to the newspaper industry so that it can remain a vital and independent component of our society rather than trying to fold its functions into other institutions.</p>
<p>This is a reason why I&#8217;m not all that thrilled about the idea of the library as &#8220;community hub&#8221; sometimes. It just seems to be a way of legitimizing the collapse of other social institutions and throwing the attendant problems into the lap of public libraries, especially in cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman Oder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman Oder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting idea, but... libraries are often not independently funded and thus answer to the city/county government in which they sit. That suggests considerable constraints on the capacity to pursue independent-minded journalism.

That said, one strength for libraries is local history, and they can serve as archives of oral history (and create more). They could perhaps also serve to collect/organize/link to local blogs that help provide a picture of the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea, but&#8230; libraries are often not independently funded and thus answer to the city/county government in which they sit. That suggests considerable constraints on the capacity to pursue independent-minded journalism.</p>
<p>That said, one strength for libraries is local history, and they can serve as archives of oral history (and create more). They could perhaps also serve to collect/organize/link to local blogs that help provide a picture of the community.</p>
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		<title>By: nate</title>
		<link>http://plablog.org/2009/03/threats-to-newspapers-are-opportunities-for-libraries.html/comment-page-1#comment-3441</link>
		<dc:creator>nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mmmmmmmmaybe its because I am in NYC (Brooklyn) that I have a hard time taking the leap with this one: this may be a very different situation in smaller towns.  Regardless, as a matter of principle I think the press has to be a separate entity that is just as likely to to expose and criticize public library policies as it is to bless us with complements.   It keeps us real, it keeps us honest, and it assures that the library adheres to serving the needs that its community actually wants served.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mmmmmmmmaybe its because I am in NYC (Brooklyn) that I have a hard time taking the leap with this one: this may be a very different situation in smaller towns.  Regardless, as a matter of principle I think the press has to be a separate entity that is just as likely to to expose and criticize public library policies as it is to bless us with complements.   It keeps us real, it keeps us honest, and it assures that the library adheres to serving the needs that its community actually wants served.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott NIcholson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott NIcholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: “I’m also not sure if doing journalism is something that libraries have the capacity for, or if that’s even something that we should be doing at all.”

You&#039;ve missed a key point - Libraries don&#039;t currently have the capacity for journalism, but newspapers do!  My proposal is that the library reach out to the local newspaper (now, rather than waiting for them to fold) and see if there are resources/people in the newspaper organization that fit in with the library&#039;s goals.

There are well-trained journalists in newspaper rooms across the countries who are losing their jobs.  These newspapers do have some type of revenue streams as well, but those streams are not enough to support the existing infrastructure of a newspaper. The streams might be enough to support an operation of some type if the infrastructure were shared with another organization.

Rather than sitting by and watching the newspapers collapse, libraries could explore how to partner with the newspapers, to share infrastructure and costs, and keep some of the functionality going to continue creating a community information resource.  If public libraries are looking to step up in their role of community hub, this would serve to solidify that role.

Instead of letting those skilled journalists leave behind their community knowledge and ability to collect news as they go elsewhere for jobs, the libraries could work to employ some of the journalists, using some of the existing revenue stream of the newspaper.  The library certainly can&#039;t absorb all of the costs of running the newspaper, but perhaps there are elements of people and revenue that could be absorbed to create new organizational capacity.

Yes, I know there are a hundred reasons why this can&#039;t work in our current structure, but guess what... _everything_ is changing (including our current structure)! 

If you are out there in a public library, why not call up your local newspaper and have a meeting?  Explore the possibilities!  Newspapers are looking to get creative to survive, and we could provide that platform.   This is a time-sensitive issue; the longer we wait to meet and reach out, the greater the chances of the newspaper shutting it&#039;s doors and losing this opportunity to make something greater than the sum of its parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: “I’m also not sure if doing journalism is something that libraries have the capacity for, or if that’s even something that we should be doing at all.”</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve missed a key point &#8211; Libraries don&#8217;t currently have the capacity for journalism, but newspapers do!  My proposal is that the library reach out to the local newspaper (now, rather than waiting for them to fold) and see if there are resources/people in the newspaper organization that fit in with the library&#8217;s goals.</p>
<p>There are well-trained journalists in newspaper rooms across the countries who are losing their jobs.  These newspapers do have some type of revenue streams as well, but those streams are not enough to support the existing infrastructure of a newspaper. The streams might be enough to support an operation of some type if the infrastructure were shared with another organization.</p>
<p>Rather than sitting by and watching the newspapers collapse, libraries could explore how to partner with the newspapers, to share infrastructure and costs, and keep some of the functionality going to continue creating a community information resource.  If public libraries are looking to step up in their role of community hub, this would serve to solidify that role.</p>
<p>Instead of letting those skilled journalists leave behind their community knowledge and ability to collect news as they go elsewhere for jobs, the libraries could work to employ some of the journalists, using some of the existing revenue stream of the newspaper.  The library certainly can&#8217;t absorb all of the costs of running the newspaper, but perhaps there are elements of people and revenue that could be absorbed to create new organizational capacity.</p>
<p>Yes, I know there are a hundred reasons why this can&#8217;t work in our current structure, but guess what&#8230; _everything_ is changing (including our current structure)! </p>
<p>If you are out there in a public library, why not call up your local newspaper and have a meeting?  Explore the possibilities!  Newspapers are looking to get creative to survive, and we could provide that platform.   This is a time-sensitive issue; the longer we wait to meet and reach out, the greater the chances of the newspaper shutting it&#8217;s doors and losing this opportunity to make something greater than the sum of its parts.</p>
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