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	<title>Comments on: Shepard Fairey, Lawrence Lessig, Steven Johnson REMIX it up at NYPL.</title>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To really see the extent of Fairey&#039;s corporate corruption, read this:

http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A59932</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To really see the extent of Fairey&#8217;s corporate corruption, read this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A59932" rel="nofollow">http://www.pittsburghcitypaper.ws/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A59932</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nate Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Terence: scanner.  no doubt. 

I love the idea of a studio/production space in the library. Where does &quot;information commons&quot; meet &quot;digital media lab&quot;?  Can they be the same thing?  I&#039;m just thinking of my library and all of the databases and digital content we spend precious dollars on and need to promote as well as train people to use. 

@Rich do you have plans to do public technology training sessions in your media lab?  Will there be courses on Photoshop or iMovie or something?  How about less glamorous stuff, like internet basics, or resume workshops?  Portfolio classes?  Do you feel like there is some responsibility to use this media lab to promote information products that your library subscribes to, or is that a totally separate issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Terence: scanner.  no doubt. </p>
<p>I love the idea of a studio/production space in the library. Where does &#8220;information commons&#8221; meet &#8220;digital media lab&#8221;?  Can they be the same thing?  I&#8217;m just thinking of my library and all of the databases and digital content we spend precious dollars on and need to promote as well as train people to use. </p>
<p>@Rich do you have plans to do public technology training sessions in your media lab?  Will there be courses on Photoshop or iMovie or something?  How about less glamorous stuff, like internet basics, or resume workshops?  Portfolio classes?  Do you feel like there is some responsibility to use this media lab to promote information products that your library subscribes to, or is that a totally separate issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Terence has a great point about offering some kind of studio space. My library is in the planning stages to build a digital media lab open to the public. Most likely, we&#039;ll have several Macs, creative production software, scanners, mics, and other peripherals. We&#039;d also like to make cameras, tripods, etc available for checkout (maybe 1-day overnight, but not sure yet). One of the issues for us will be how to offer a studio space that&#039;s really usable and flexible to people with a limited amount of total space available. I&#039;d be interested in what other libraries are doing with digital media labs. I think the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.digitalartslab-about.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Digital Arts Lab&lt;/a&gt; in Salinas is a good example, as is one at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.luc.edu/digitalmedialab/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Loyola U. in Chicago&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Terence has a great point about offering some kind of studio space. My library is in the planning stages to build a digital media lab open to the public. Most likely, we&#8217;ll have several Macs, creative production software, scanners, mics, and other peripherals. We&#8217;d also like to make cameras, tripods, etc available for checkout (maybe 1-day overnight, but not sure yet). One of the issues for us will be how to offer a studio space that&#8217;s really usable and flexible to people with a limited amount of total space available. I&#8217;d be interested in what other libraries are doing with digital media labs. I think the <a href="http://www.digitalartslab-about.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Digital Arts Lab</a> in Salinas is a good example, as is one at <a href="http://www.luc.edu/digitalmedialab/" rel="nofollow">Loyola U. in Chicago</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Terence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things the creation station need sto be really effective. First, a scanner. Soooo much creativity still happens offline and needs to be digitized. Second, a studio space. If someone wants to shoot, say, a film short, yet they can&#039;t take the equipment off premises, then where do they shoot their film? In the reference room? Oh, and second-and-a-half: they need the open-source pre-production multi-media program Celtx (http://celtx.com/).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things the creation station need sto be really effective. First, a scanner. Soooo much creativity still happens offline and needs to be digitized. Second, a studio space. If someone wants to shoot, say, a film short, yet they can&#8217;t take the equipment off premises, then where do they shoot their film? In the reference room? Oh, and second-and-a-half: they need the open-source pre-production multi-media program Celtx (<a href="http://celtx.com/" rel="nofollow">http://celtx.com/</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick:

Thanks, yes, I do know what you do. Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick:</p>
<p>Thanks, yes, I do know what you do. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Franklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Nate, as I thought you knew, because you and I have spoken about it on more than one occasion: I and a group of others at Brooklyn Public Library have been doing similar programs involving consumer electronics  and media creation to those you discuss in this post for some time now.

As to the question of its relevance to the mission of public libraries:  after doing a few programs around this theme, I&#039;ve come to realize that in some communities, the consumer electronics used for projects such as these are not really obtainable by kids or their families, mostly because they cost too much.  While that&#039;s slowly changing (the price of gadgets is gradually decreasing, their necessity in daily life is increasing), at best I may be advertising the gadgets to potential consumers, and at worst flaunting luxury items to those who are unable to have them and, therefore, use them properly. 

Encouraging children and teenagers to create their own content is a very powerful thing that schools and perhaps libraries should continue to do.  But it should really be more of a priority for institutions to make the professional (not amateur) technology more available to students so that they are able to learn and create quality media. Perhaps is should also be a goal to remove some of the mystery and fascination that seems to surround these gadgets  (largely artificial and perpetuated by manufacturers to foster brand loyalty amongst their consumers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Nate, as I thought you knew, because you and I have spoken about it on more than one occasion: I and a group of others at Brooklyn Public Library have been doing similar programs involving consumer electronics  and media creation to those you discuss in this post for some time now.</p>
<p>As to the question of its relevance to the mission of public libraries:  after doing a few programs around this theme, I&#8217;ve come to realize that in some communities, the consumer electronics used for projects such as these are not really obtainable by kids or their families, mostly because they cost too much.  While that&#8217;s slowly changing (the price of gadgets is gradually decreasing, their necessity in daily life is increasing), at best I may be advertising the gadgets to potential consumers, and at worst flaunting luxury items to those who are unable to have them and, therefore, use them properly. </p>
<p>Encouraging children and teenagers to create their own content is a very powerful thing that schools and perhaps libraries should continue to do.  But it should really be more of a priority for institutions to make the professional (not amateur) technology more available to students so that they are able to learn and create quality media. Perhaps is should also be a goal to remove some of the mystery and fascination that seems to surround these gadgets  (largely artificial and perpetuated by manufacturers to foster brand loyalty amongst their consumers).</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Graeme:

Thanks for the equipment suggestions.  It would be interesting to do some kind of needs (or wants) assessment with library users to ask them what kind of things they might want to create or remix digitally at the library.  Us  librarians get so excited about gadgets, and particularly in this case the cost of some of these tools is high enough it&#039;d be shame to make purchasing mistakes without asking the users what they might want to do.

So... just like my book collection at my library would not serve the needs at the Darien Library (or yours- where do you work?), the tech needs for content creation would differ as well.

Any other libraries have creation station setups like this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Graeme:</p>
<p>Thanks for the equipment suggestions.  It would be interesting to do some kind of needs (or wants) assessment with library users to ask them what kind of things they might want to create or remix digitally at the library.  Us  librarians get so excited about gadgets, and particularly in this case the cost of some of these tools is high enough it&#8217;d be shame to make purchasing mistakes without asking the users what they might want to do.</p>
<p>So&#8230; just like my book collection at my library would not serve the needs at the Darien Library (or yours- where do you work?), the tech needs for content creation would differ as well.</p>
<p>Any other libraries have creation station setups like this?</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Septic One:  

Thanks for the links!

I think that it is great that Fairey (be he a weasely scumbag or a genius artist) is capable of:

a) creating at least 3 powerful, iconic images within my lifetime
b) getting everyone talking about fair use issues in a time when technology makes it incredibly easy to make copies of and distribute media
c) drawing attention to and making people consider the creative process, influence and inspiration and their relationship to effective marketing and distribution practices 

Is he a hypocrite?  Maybe he is.  Does it matter?  Probably not.  He&#039;ll tell you that he&#039;s never had a unique idea in his life.  I know I haven&#039;t either, have you?  I&#039;d say the really interesting thing that is happening as a result Fairey&#039;s fame and antics is c), and I think that is where his real artistry lies.

Fairey (with Lessig&#039;s assistance) is effectively publicizing the story of his creative process, a process which is not evenly remotely unique in our digital media-saturated world.  Like Lessig points out, if we can&#039;t find a way to decriminalize this type of activity appropriately, we are making criminals of an entire generation of creative minds.  At this point, I&#039;d suggest that attention itself is Fairey&#039;s agenda, and I&#039;m not that surprised that some hipocracy would be in the mix.  @Septic One, Shepard Fairey is a troublemaker, a rabblerouser.  That is what artists who are asking good questions do; they stir things up and piss you off.  Aim your disgust at helping create the kind of policies that you think are correct.  That is all he wants you to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Septic One:  </p>
<p>Thanks for the links!</p>
<p>I think that it is great that Fairey (be he a weasely scumbag or a genius artist) is capable of:</p>
<p>a) creating at least 3 powerful, iconic images within my lifetime<br />
b) getting everyone talking about fair use issues in a time when technology makes it incredibly easy to make copies of and distribute media<br />
c) drawing attention to and making people consider the creative process, influence and inspiration and their relationship to effective marketing and distribution practices </p>
<p>Is he a hypocrite?  Maybe he is.  Does it matter?  Probably not.  He&#8217;ll tell you that he&#8217;s never had a unique idea in his life.  I know I haven&#8217;t either, have you?  I&#8217;d say the really interesting thing that is happening as a result Fairey&#8217;s fame and antics is c), and I think that is where his real artistry lies.</p>
<p>Fairey (with Lessig&#8217;s assistance) is effectively publicizing the story of his creative process, a process which is not evenly remotely unique in our digital media-saturated world.  Like Lessig points out, if we can&#8217;t find a way to decriminalize this type of activity appropriately, we are making criminals of an entire generation of creative minds.  At this point, I&#8217;d suggest that attention itself is Fairey&#8217;s agenda, and I&#8217;m not that surprised that some hipocracy would be in the mix.  @Septic One, Shepard Fairey is a troublemaker, a rabblerouser.  That is what artists who are asking good questions do; they stir things up and piss you off.  Aim your disgust at helping create the kind of policies that you think are correct.  That is all he wants you to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graeme Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think something like the creation station is a good idea, but I might choose slightly different combinations of equipment.

Our local library will loan out laptops (for use within the library).  It would make sense for the laptops to be configured for Skype video or recording video for Youtube (et al.).  I have a good (&lt;&lt; $100) Logitech USB webcam with a built-in microphone that works fine for video calls, and I presume would also work for Youtube.  Also it&#039;s possible that the webcam built-in to current laptops is good enough.

If you want to make an audio recording (e.g., for a podcast or video narration, or to attach to an email), you&#039;d want a good microphone (and a quiet, low-echo place to record).  I think it makes sense for the microphone to be connected to the laptop rather than a stand-alone recorder.

If you want to take a good photo of something, it helps to have a tripod and one or more lights.  It would be good if the same setup worked for both objects (e.g., for selling on eBay) and for portraits.

So, I think something like this is a great idea that would be useful to adults as well as kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think something like the creation station is a good idea, but I might choose slightly different combinations of equipment.</p>
<p>Our local library will loan out laptops (for use within the library).  It would make sense for the laptops to be configured for Skype video or recording video for Youtube (et al.).  I have a good (&lt;&lt; $100) Logitech USB webcam with a built-in microphone that works fine for video calls, and I presume would also work for Youtube.  Also it&#8217;s possible that the webcam built-in to current laptops is good enough.</p>
<p>If you want to make an audio recording (e.g., for a podcast or video narration, or to attach to an email), you&#8217;d want a good microphone (and a quiet, low-echo place to record).  I think it makes sense for the microphone to be connected to the laptop rather than a stand-alone recorder.</p>
<p>If you want to take a good photo of something, it helps to have a tripod and one or more lights.  It would be good if the same setup worked for both objects (e.g., for selling on eBay) and for portraits.</p>
<p>So, I think something like this is a great idea that would be useful to adults as well as kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Septic One</title>
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		<dc:creator>Septic One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shepard Fairey should be called out on stealing from minority artists and for twisting the message of other artists. I read articles that open my eyes to how horrible he is as a man. He does not allow artist to comment visually on his art but takes, takes, takes all he can from minority artists and photographers. If he thinks that fair use is creative freedom he should accept that artists will comment on his work visually and profit from it just as he does. NPR did not ask him about any of his contradictions and ICA did not either. He is a hypocrite and steals culture for his own profit and messages. He is a rightest selling a leftist message for his own fame and fortune.  Support the ASL group in exposing this fraud. Please read and see what he does from the words of this man who has been critical of this artist, 

http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/02/shepard-fairey-sues-associated-press.html

And the Supertouch article bashing Mr. Vallen is bogus. They only bash Mr. Vallen becauses Vallen is a true revolutionary artist and mentor of the streets. They do it because Mr. Fairey makes them money. 

http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/02/jamie-oshea-obeys-shepard-fairey-by.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shepard Fairey should be called out on stealing from minority artists and for twisting the message of other artists. I read articles that open my eyes to how horrible he is as a man. He does not allow artist to comment visually on his art but takes, takes, takes all he can from minority artists and photographers. If he thinks that fair use is creative freedom he should accept that artists will comment on his work visually and profit from it just as he does. NPR did not ask him about any of his contradictions and ICA did not either. He is a hypocrite and steals culture for his own profit and messages. He is a rightest selling a leftist message for his own fame and fortune.  Support the ASL group in exposing this fraud. Please read and see what he does from the words of this man who has been critical of this artist, </p>
<p><a href="http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/02/shepard-fairey-sues-associated-press.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/02/shepard-fairey-sues-associated-press.html</a></p>
<p>And the Supertouch article bashing Mr. Vallen is bogus. They only bash Mr. Vallen becauses Vallen is a true revolutionary artist and mentor of the streets. They do it because Mr. Fairey makes them money. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/02/jamie-oshea-obeys-shepard-fairey-by.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.myartspace.com/blog/2009/02/jamie-oshea-obeys-shepard-fairey-by.html</a></p>
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